A joint translation with @speranzom, who was generous enough to provide the Takken Taro part from the summary https://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/music/29852/1553736787 for 11/16 (Saturday).
Note: I try to repeat the Japanese thread as closely as possible here. Where I do make some editorial additions I’ll put them in [ ], though I do occasionally soften the posters’ tone.
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602: LillyRush :2019/11/16(土) 21:58:41 ★11月16日(土)① ・元NGT研究生 渡邉歩咲がSRのイベントで3冠達成 (山口真帆、菅原りこ、長谷川玲奈が辞めた後に活動辞退したメンバー) https://i.imgur.com/xgu1T52.jpg ▽渡邉歩咲のランウェイ https://video.twi◯mg.com/ext_tw_video/1195616772021309440/pu/vid/1280x720/PgX7Y-G9C3uda3Et.mp4 ・録音音声の再生回数が百万回を突破 https://i.imgur.com/sCItjXk.jpg ・菅原りこツイート https://i.imgur.com/yGdog2I.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QuVrveW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LotzTQH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4SNdAmI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kEz7PTY.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TT5rWtO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/D99Omkv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8H51QPB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/q7gJedP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/IhPiF7g.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YXpEc5D.jpg https://video.twi◯mg.com/ext_tw_video/1195590220877426688/pu/vid/720x960/saoJZXq4Z_KDrzB8.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/3AZ1680.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cQjvyaR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/v1Xusop.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UXGkaFG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qcSi97e.jpg ・長谷川玲奈ツイート https://i.imgur.com/SKiIpYF.png https://i.imgur.com/AiW3ZPX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GBoT95j.jpg https://i.imgur.com/z6uoVJE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3hTsH7K.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vSOidXB.jpg 603: LillyRush :2019/11/16(土) 22:25:49 ★11月16日(土)② ・宅建太郎:NGT48 原告側準備書面(1)「一連の言動の意味等」リスナーメモ&記憶 https://www.you◯tube.com/watch?v=pFrcYOdXqL0&app=desktop ▽(一連の言動=山口氏の自宅前でのトラブルから警察に連行されるまでの言動) AKSは矮小化したいんでしょう。私はこれが「本件加害行為」の全てだとは思っていない ▽そもそも被告は何で山口さんの家にやって来ることになったのか その前の他のメンバーの人たちと一緒にご飯食べたり遊んだり、そうした繋がり自体が暴行事件に繋がったんじゃないの? ▽事件が起こる前からの事も含めて、一連の言動と考えなければいけないんじゃないの? ▽AKSが言うには、山口さんの自宅前から警察に連行されるまでの言動のこと。非常に狭く捉えている ▽(本件事件とは、山口氏を待ち受け、何らかの接触を持ったことを意味している) 訴状とトーンが変わってきている。訴状では「顔を掴んだ」と言っていたが、この準備書面では「それ以外の何らかの接触まで含んでいるんですよ」と ▽これは被告と原告が共同で「暴行行為は無かったんですよ」と。 原告としては「暴行は無くても、何らかの接触はあったこと自体が損害を発生させたんだよ」と、裁判を保たせるために言ってるようでもある ▽将来的に「暴行行為を認めることは出来ませんでした」「検察でも不起訴になったし、この部分が山口さんの疑念に過ぎなかったんじゃないでしょうか」と記者会見をする布石なのかもしれない ▽(関与の程度は、共犯が成立すると思しき程度に加功していること) 加功とは犯罪に加担しているということ。 この後AKSは関与の意味について、刑事事件の教唆したとか、共犯になったとか、 そういう事を関与と言っているんだよと、それ以外のことは言っていないんだよと、矮小化して狭く捉えているわけですよ ▽これはおかしい。山口さんは刑事事件に関与しているかどうかに限定していない。 山口さんは共犯であるとか言ってない。 ▽ここでは刑事事件に共犯として教唆として名前が出てくるような関与なんだよと言っている ▽例えばこれで、被告は顔を掴むなど暴行は無かったと言っているんで、それが認められれば「山口さんの疑念自体がおかしい」という話になる ▽事実が無かったことに山口さんが疑念を持ったと。山口さんがおかしかったんだという方向に持っていこうとしているのが、ここからも見て取れる ▽記者会見の姿が目に浮かぶ。 「この事件で他のメンバーに共犯とか教唆とか、そういった事実は無かった」 「検察も不起訴にしたし、それを裏付けるものだと思います」 「山口さんの疑念自体が疑わしかったんだ」 「他のメンバーは全くのシロであり、黒は一人もいなかったんだ」 と会見するためだけに、関与を刑事事件に限ってみたいな書き方をしているんじゃないか ▽(山口氏から犯罪と思われる事件に、共同正犯、教唆犯、幇助犯、これらに準じる態様で加功しているのではないか、との疑念を抱かせた) これはAKSが勝手に言っているだけ。 山口さんが刑事事件に限定して疑念を抱いたというのはAKSの勝手な主張 https://i.imgur.com/8q4pVxa.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7oe7MGa.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vQJAdd5.jpg 604: LillyRush :2019/11/16(土) 22:39:34 ★11月16日(土)【追加】 ・菅原りこツイート https://i.imgur.com/0GuBZ7V.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yqnlbOM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EmijlFZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WIyzpAV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5L6nE52.jpg
- Former NGT KKS Watanabe Ayusa gets 3rd place in a Showroom event
- (She withdrew from activities after Maho, Riko, and Rena quit)
- https://i.imgur.com/xgu1T52.jpg
- Her runway video
- The audio recording clip has been viewed over 1 million times
- Riko’s tweets
- Rena’s tweets
- Takken Taro: “NGT48 The plaintiff’s preparatory papers (part 1): “Their definition of a certain series of statements and actions [by the offenders], etc…”, based on listener’s notes and memory”
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFrcYOdXqL0&app=desktop
- (From the document: For a “certain series of statements and actions [by the offenders]”, we do mean any word and actions [by the offenders] that occurred from the accident in front of Miss Yamaguchi’s apartment up to when the offenders were escorted away by the police)
- Doesn’t AKS want to downplay things? Personally, I don’t find this to be all there is to it about the “harmful actions concerning this case”
- For one thing, for what reason did the defendants even had to come all the way to Yamaguchi-san’s apartment?
- The fact that they previously used to eat out together with other members and have a fun time together with them, wasn’t such a way of consorting itself a contributing factor to the assault incident?
- Wouldn’t it be necessary to consider also what happened prior to the incident, as part of such a series of statements and actions [by the offenders]?
- As per what AKS says, this is rather only the words and actions happening from when they were in front of Yamaguchi-san’s house, up to when they were taken away by the police. They are taking an unusually narrow interpretation of it.
- (From the document: Also, for the “incident in question”, we mean the way the way they waited for Miss Yamaguchi, and came into some sort of direct contact with her”)
- Here the tone is changing from the initial lawsuit complaint. In the plaintiff’s lawsuit complaint they stated it was “grabbing her face with their hands”, but now in those preparatory papers it goes like “Other sorts of direct contacts aside from it are also included!”.
- This is a way for the defendant and the plaintiff to jointly say “There was no assault incident!”.
- For the plaintiff, it is would also seem like a way to keep the court case running, as in “Even if there were no assault, any other sort of direct contact did itself cause economical damages to us anyway!”
- Isn’t it something in preparation for them to hold a press conference, somewhere in the future, where they would assert that “We couldn’t determine there was an assault incident…”, “With the local prosecutor even deciding in favor of a non-prosecution, one must wonder if that part was also nothing more than a misgiving on Yamaguchi-san’s part…?”
- (From the document: As for the level of “[member’s] involvement”, we mean acting as enablers in a way one may suspect it would constitute a collusion)
- “Enabling” here means to assist in a crime
- After that, on what they mean by “involvement”, AKS would go on about having instigated a crime as intended in a criminal case, about what constitutes criminal collusion, etc…
- By stating “This is what we mean when we say involvement, not anything outside of that”, they thus end up minimizing matters and interpreting it in a very narrow way
- That itself is weird. Yamaguchi-san isn’t limiting it to being an issue of whether there’s any involvement as intended in a criminal case.
- Yamaguchi-san herself never said about there being a matter of there being criminal collusion, indeed.
- Yet in here they mention “involvement” in the way the term comes up in criminal cases, to mean criminal conspiracy or criminal incitement
- Are they trying to say with it, for example, that the defendants committed no assault in which they grabbed her face and all the rest? If they acknowledge to that, then the argument would then turn into “It’s the misgivings on Yamaguchi-san’s part that are questionable, instead”
- So, they want to say that on top of no such thing having ever happened, it was all Yamaguchi-san holding misgivings. From this part, one can notice how they are attempting to take the debate in the direction that it was rather Yamaguchi-san who was questionable.
- At this point, one already has the future AKS press conference flashing before one’s own eyes:
- “There was no criminal conspiracy or criminal incitement on part of other members in this incident”
- “Even the local prosecutor decided toward a non-prosecution, which we believe backs up the claim”
- “It’s the misgivings on Yamaguchi-san’s part themselves that were instead suspicious”
- “All the other members are innocent, there’s not a single one who’s at fault”
- If they aren’t writing the definition of “involvement” in a way that limits it to what just concerns criminal cases just for the sake of holding such a press conference, then what else?
- (From the document: It thus caused Miss Yamaguchi to harbor misgivings that in the incident considered to be a criminal act, they acted as enablers in a way that fits the standards of criminal conspiracy, criminal instigation, and criminal abetment.
- This, it is just AKS making arbitrary statements
- The claim that Yamaguchi-san was harboring those misgivings in a way only limited to mean a criminal case is purely AKS’s arbitrary assertion
- https://i.imgur.com/8q4pVxa.jpg
- https://i.imgur.com/7oe7MGa.jpg
- https://i.imgur.com/vQJAdd5.jpg
- Riko’s tweet
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